houseboatonstyx ([info]houseboatonstyx) wrote,

The Thirteenth Child flap

My comments, in random order, subject to update....

This book is a fantasy. I wonder if its denouncers have read Wrede's ENCHANTED FOREST series. They might complain that dragons are not real, that the social order of castles and princesses and heroes is not supported by actual history....

Thirteenth Child is not serious 'alternate history' either. 
 

This is not a book like Walton's FARTHING, whose basc effect is a dark mirroring of our world, 1 for 1. CHILD is a different world to be read as standing alone, without needing to mirror anything.

Stereotypes. Firefly/Serenity used plot and character stereotypes. It wasn't realistic either: a space ship with skillets dangling on the kitchen wall? It was ABOUT stereotypes. So is CHILD, to some extent (as was ENCHANTED FOREST).

Walton described CHILD (qfm -- I'm quoting from memory) as LITTLE HOUSE ON THE PRAIRIE with mammoths and magic. Elsewhere Walton described her own TOOTH AND CLAW as (qfm) FRAMLEY PARSONAGE with dragons. Maybe they would fault that for unrealism too.

Thirteenth Child is fiction, fantasy fiction, in a fantasy world.


Here is what's posted at Patricia's website:

"Eff Rothmer is the twin sister of a seventh son 
of a seventh son, growing up on the edge of 
the "safe" settled area of the U.S. in the 
1850s (though history has not gone quite the 
way it did in our world-the Civil War, for 
instance, happened in 1832, and Lewis and 
Clark never came back...)

This is the first book of a fantasy trilogy about 
settling the West in a world where magic 
works and the New World was not settled until 
modern magic (of Columbus' day) made it 
possible to fend off the dangerous wildlife 
(which includes both imaginary beasts like 
steam dragons and spectral bears, and real-life 
post-ice-age creatures like wooly mammoths)."

Wrede said of the world of THIRTEENTH CHILD:

 "The prehistoric people who, in our world, emigrated across the land bridge and through the Arctic Circle didn’t even try to get past the ice dragons; their descendants are all still back on the eastern Pacific rim, and the history of Asia is far less recognizable than that of the Mediterranian area. Unfortunately, my narrator is not particularly interested in global history or politics, so most of that is only present in the text by implication." 
 

 (One detractor said that in that case Wrede should have set the book in Asia and made it about the Asians instead!)


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[info]houseboatonstyx

May 30 2009, 05:55:04 UTC 2 years ago

From a comment elsewhere:
"The pretense that Story (or literature, or creativity, or whatever) can be separate from the messiness of "real" life is in itself a blinding exercise in privilege."

So into the bucket go Jane Austen (no French Revolution), Oscar Wilde, Lewis Carroll....

[info]lady_ganesh

June 1 2009, 23:03:13 UTC 2 years ago

I'm confused. Do you think Austen, Wilde, and Carroll's lives and their society had no impact on their writing? In Austen's case in particular it seems like a very strange claim.

[info]houseboatonstyx

June 2 2009, 04:44:20 UTC 2 years ago

The point was the other way around. Some detractor was criticizing Wrede's decision to leave 'Native Americans' out of the world of Thirteenth Child. I was replying that Austen left the French Revolution out of her books, Carroll left real life political and economic issues out of Wonderland, and so far as I recall, Wilde left messy political and economic issues out of "The Importance of Being Earnest".
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